Divorce Decoded: Your Questions, Our Answers

In this listener question episode, Seth and Pete address a variety of concerns that many individuals face when going through a divorce or considering ending their marriage.

The hosts dive into topics such as dating during the divorce process, fighting for your marriage, handling unresponsive attorneys, and the potential impact of changing laws on no-fault divorces. They also discuss the differences between equitable distribution and alimony, inheritance laws in Florida, and how to approach property appraisals during a divorce.

Questions we answer in this episode:

• How should you handle dating before your divorce is finalized?

• Can the divorce process actually save a marriage?

• What should you do if your attorney is unresponsive and hasn't filed important documents like your QDRO?

Key Takeaways:

• Equitable distribution deals with the division of assets and debts, while alimony is based on need and ability to pay.

• In Florida, inheritance maintained as separate property is generally considered non-marital and not subject to equitable distribution.

• When seeking a property appraisal, focus on finding a reputable and qualified appraiser rather than trying to manipulate the outcome.

It’s an information-packed episode with questions sent in from listeners, and also from listeners who have used our chatbot on the website. Those questions are valuable too, so if you have questions of your own, make sure you get them asked and we’ll do our best to answer them in an episode for you.

Links & Notes

• Reach out to Andy to practice dating while going through your divorce

• Reach out to Matt Lundy to see if he works in your state regarding QDROs

• Schedule a consult with Seth

• Got a question you want to ask on the show? Click here!

• Episode Transcript

  Pete Wright: Welcome everybody to How To Split A Toaster, a Divorce podcast about saving your relationships from True Story FM today. Your toaster's got some more questions. Seth Nelson: Welcome to show everybody. I'm Seth Nelson. As always, I'm here with my good friend Pete. Pete, let me tell you. Pete Wright: Yeah. Seth Nelson: Listener question day. Pete Wright: It's a big one. Seth Nelson: They're huge. Pete Wright: They just keep coming in. Seth Nelson: I know, I know. So you just rip through them. I've glanced at them. So I haven't done any legal research preparing for this podcast, but I will see how we do. Pete Wright: That's okay. I am ready to go. We're going to start off with an easy one. You're going to love this one, I think. This one says, how should I handle dating before my divorce is finalized? That's the whole question, but it implies some things, right? How do you handle this? Seth Nelson: Okay, so in the show notes, we're just going to give you Andy's contact information. Pete Wright: Good, because he is not available, but- Seth Nelson: Married. Happily married, but you got to ease into it and you're used to being with a married guy. So maybe- Pete Wright: Start with Producer Andy. Seth Nelson: Start with the married guy. Pete Wright: You'll love it. Seth Nelson: Oka.? No, this is a good question. It happens a lot. So the first thing I would tell you is this is my wishlist that no one listens to as their lawyer, and people are human and they're going to live their lives. So don't date. Wait till your divorce is over. Now that I've given you that legal... I'm not really giving legal advice. I'm telling you what I tell people Now people say, I'm not going to listen to that, Seth. So what kind of keep it on the down low. Don't tell your friends that are going to get back to your spouse. If you're living in the same house, don't be texting all the time. I'm assuming hopefully that you're not in the same house. You have some privacy. Don't let the children know. Don't bring the person around the children. Don't post on social media. Don't go to places that you typically frequent and you will be seen. You want to keep this on the down low. That is my strong advice. Why? Because even after people are divorced, your former spouse, for example, moves on and is with somebody else, but then you find somebody else, sometimes they freak out and they start causing all sorts of problems. It's not logical, but it happens. So you never know how you being in a relationship is going to negatively impact what your current spouse is doing in a divorce. So that's my advice. Pete Wright: Okay, keep it on the down low. Fair enough. My wife wants a divorce. I want to fight for our marriage. Have you ever seen a circumstance like this in which the divorce process actually saves a marriage? Seth Nelson: Yes. Part of that reason that people are shocked by that answer is usually by the time they call us divorce attorneys, they've been thinking about divorce for a long time, usually an average of three years, but sometimes that's the wake-up call. And depending on what the underlying issues are that got you to this point, which I'm always a big believer, is communication, but sometimes it's money and how is money handled? So I've done more than one postnuptial agreement during a pendency of a divorce that discussed how all the money is going to be handled during the marriage and in the event of a divorce. And once they got the money issues worked out, still married to this day, as far as I know, Pete Wright: Wow. Seth Nelson: If it's parenting issues, that can be a little tougher. But some things that people have done, they've really decided that and had to have that, like a just heartfelt talk with each other. That we parent differently, but neither one of them is wrong. And that's with all parents, right? Everybody knows, all the kids know who's the stricter parent on something and who's the more lenient parent on the other thing. Everybody knows it and the kids manipulate the parents to get what they want. So sometimes when it came to parenting, they would kind of say to each other, who's the parent on duty? And I'm going to let you just run it. And unless it's a safety issue, unless it's a huge deal, just let him do it. If he's going to feed a mac and cheese on his night when he's pairing on duty, you can make sure they eat their vegetables the next day. So sometimes working out these parenting issues. Now there's a law of professionals, and I don't mean necessarily a marriage counselor. Though, I'm assuming you've tried that, but if not, please do. Sometimes you can go to a parent coordinator. Now a parent coordinator is a professional who helps people co-parent when they're not living under the same roof. No reason why they can't help you co-parent when you are living under the same roof. So give it a try. Pete Wright: Oh, they'll do that? Seth Nelson: I know parent coordinators, I believe if I called them up and said, I have a guy calling me or a girl, whoever it is, saying that their spouse wants to get divorced. But they really want to work on their marriage and they think some of the issues are communication and how to deal and how to raise the kids and they don't communicate well and they fight about it, that maybe you can help them as a parent coordinator. What's wrong with that? Pete Wright: I mean, I'm not judging. I don't see anything wrong with it. Call the people who need to be on your team whether you're married or divorced. That's great. And so when I read this question, I immediately thought is divorce process... [inaudible 00:06:00] where my brain is? The divorce process is so arduous that you'd prefer to stay married. That's what I thought. I like your answer much better. Seth Nelson: I actually think that's a great reading. I have to go talk to lawyers and get a divorce. Let's just stay married. Pete Wright: It's not worth it. Let's stay married. Seth Nelson: That's a good one. Well, I hope that this helps. Pete Wright: Yeah. Next question. Another one from the website. I have a family attorney and I recently find out when I called the court that he never filed my QDRO. And my worst nightmare is I can't get in contact with him neither phone calls, email, text, and when I go to his office and wait for him, it's stressful. I'm frustrated because I don't know why it happened, what to do. It's been over a year already. What do you think? Seth Nelson: Okay, I have some good news for you. He or she is not the only family law attorney out there. So if you're not getting a response from your family law attorney on this issue, go look for another attorney. Here's the good news, more good news. You're talking about a QDRO which are qualified domestic relations order. So for the people that are new listeners or you haven't dealt with this issue, this order is used to divide up retirement accounts that are governed under federal law called ERISA. So think of pension plans just as a simple one. There's others, but 401(k)s, there's others, okay. That can be done after the final judgment. So the fact that it's been over a year already is not good, but it's not the worst I've seen. You just need to get a lawyer to go look at your final judgment, figure out what we need to do with the QDRO and get a QDRO attorney. Now, if you are in the state of Florida, there are a lot of QDRO attorneys out there. We have someone here at NLG that does them. But also we have Matt Lundy who is a guest on this show that is a QDRO attorney and he is licensed in many states. I don't know how many, but I think Pete, when he's here is like four or five different states. Pete Wright: Yeah, he's all over. Seth Nelson: So if you just go in and... Well, Pete, let's just put in the show notes on Matt Lundy's contact information for his law firm. And then you can reach out to Matt Lundy and maybe he'll be able to help you. Pete Wright: So when you're finished reaching out to Andy to propose him for dates, call Matt Lundy because he's great. Seth Nelson: That's right. That's right. Maybe when things don't work out with Andy, Matt can refer you to- Pete Wright: He's available. Seth Nelson: No, no, not Matt. He'll refer you. He's a nice guy. Not like Andy. We're good. Pete Wright: It's all about referrals. Look, how important is it to... I mean, you keep referring to QDRO attorneys versus other attorneys. So you personally, Seth Nelson, you don't do QDROs. Seth Nelson: That's correct. Now, the reason I originally didn't do QDROs is because I knew that I had to learn it up and down and be really great at it. Because that QDRO, if it's divided, a pension might not be divided for 10, 15, 20 years. And I wasn't confident early in my career to make sure that I was going to take a risk for a client to do something that I didn't know whether it's actually going to work 10 or 20 years down the road. Pete Wright: Wow. Seth Nelson: Okay. And I didn't want to be on the hook 10 or 20 years down the road when it comes back and like, oh, you made a mistake. I was like, oh, my God. Right. Also, the time it takes to learn how to do QDROs, because each employer does it differently, and so it's dealing a lot with the plan administrators takes more time. My currently hourly rate compared to people that just focus on QDROs, because they've done it a lot and they can get it done much more quickly than I can, so I can just refer it to someone else. Now we have, as you know, Kristin Scully is a new member of our firm attorney. Excellent. And she does QDROs. So we do them in-house now, but depending, we'll send them to Matt or whatever. But yeah, we always like to try to help and she does a great job of them. Pete Wright: Okay, well great news. You can do your QDRO after the divorce. You're okay. Thank you for writing that question. This is another one comes in from anonymous, we'll call them Red. I see courts starting to look at removing no-fault divorces as an option. What does that mean for me if I want a divorce, but it's not like he's cheating or abusing me or something? Am I trapped? If the law changes while I'm in the middle of a divorce, would that affect things? Could he come back and file for an appeal based on new laws to annul the divorce? I find this fascinating. First of all, set the stage for us. What are we talking about With a no-fault divorce? Seth Nelson: So a no-fault divorce is what it typically is in almost every jurisdiction across the country now. Which means you just have to say there's irreconcilable differences and you're done. You're not going to court and saying, he abuses me, he cheats on me. He is psychologically abusive to me. You don't have to have a reason to get divorced other than you guys don't get along anymore and it's not going to change. Pete Wright: I didn't have to have a reason when I said, I want to break up with you in the eighth grade. Why should I have to have a reason now? Seth Nelson: Exactly. So what's happening, and this is pretty hot in the news these days, so this is a really good question, very timely. I think just recently it was on NPR. There are some state legislatures that are trying to rescind the no-fault issues and now make it a requirement that you have to have a reason to get divorced. I think this is a horrible idea. Historically, this was a way to keep women in marriages despite the fact that they were not healthy relationships. And eventually the law evolved and said, we're not going to get into the nitty-gritty and air everybody's dirty laundry in court for a reason to get divorced. What we're going to do is say it's no-fault. If you want to get married, you can get married and if you want to get divorced, you can get divorced. There are going to be some very simple requirements that they're irreconcilable differences. That's what it is in Florida. And when we go to court and have to prove irreconcilable differences, I just ask the question, are there? They say yes. Then I ask, is there anything the court can do to save your marriage such as sending you to marriage counseling or anything of the like? And the answer is no. Now, if one person says yes, I want to work on our marriage, the court sometimes will say, I'm going to pause this proceeding, go to marriage counseling. Other courts are like, if they don't want to go, I'm not going to send them. So it just depends on the judge. So let me answer the next part. What happens if the law changes in the middle of your divorce? When new law gets passed, it usually says when the effective date is. And so it might say this new law is in effect as of July 1st, 2025, and it applies to any pending case or any case that gets filed after that date. Or it could say it only applies to cases that get filed after that date. So it just depends on what the law says when it's enacted and how is it enacted. Pete Wright: But just to clarify, so if I'm in the... Let's say you're in trial and trial is the date that the law changes. Tuesday, the law changes when you come back to court on Wednesday, are you arguing against the new law? Seth Nelson: If it's any pending case? Yeah, that's exactly what I'm doing. Pete Wright: Okay. All right. I think that's important to be clear because that's actually sort of terrifying. Seth Nelson: Thank you for that. Pete Wright: A little bit. Seth Nelson: Not for lawyers, but yeah. Pete Wright: You guys. Okay. Seth Nelson: I know. Pete Wright: Here's what we've got. I think I've got a couple of questions that I think you're going to have an easy time with, so let's just see how you do. Number one, another one from the website, equitable distribution. How is this typically determined when one spouse is high earning and the other is underemployed or part-time childcare, not full-time childcare provider or homemaker? Seth Nelson: This is a great question. Because let's go back to one of the very first shows we did, Peace, parenting plan, equitable distribution, alimony, child support, everything else. This question mixes two of those concepts, so we're going to untangle that. Pete Wright: Okay. Seth Nelson: Equitable distribution is the division of assets and debts, and we do that by identifying all the assets that each party is titled in their own name, jointly titled with their spouse or titled with a third party or entity. Notice I'm saying titles, not owned. Because we have identification, then we go to classification. Are those debts marital, which means they'll be divided. Non-marital, which means they're not divided 50/50, whoever owns it as a non-marital property keeps it or has it as a non-marital debt has to pay it. Not part of the division of assets and debts as in being split. Then we have some assets and some debts that might be both marital and non-marital left different components. And then we have valuation and then distribution, who gets it? None of that has to deal with your income. None of that has to deal with if someone's underemployed or a part-time childcare provider. Those topics deal with alimony. And alimony is need and ability to pay paying one spouse or former spouse money after the divorce is over to help them maintain a certain standard of living. And as we know in Florida, the law has changed on that. So to answer equitable distribution, it doesn't impact it at all. To answer the alimony portion of this, it depends on your state. So all of this is check your local jurisdiction, but generally speaking, equitable distribution is a different category than alimony, but the fact scenario that's given here falls under alimony in Florida family law. But check your local jurisdiction. Pete Wright: Follow up question, just because the writer asked it this way. When you have a high income earner and an underemployed or part-time person. What if you have a high income earner and a slightly less high income earner but still high income earner? How does the court deal with alimony when everybody's making fine money, maybe just not quite at the same amount? Seth Nelson: That's a great question. So that goes back to need and ability to pay, and that is based upon the standard of living. So let's say someone's making ... I'm making up numbers now, $10 million a year. Pete Wright: Okay. Seth Nelson: The other spouse is making $6 million a year. Pete Wright: Great, great numbers. I aspire to those numbers. Seth Nelson: But they're horrible with money. They spend it all and the standard of living is outrageously high. The court might say the $6 million earner needs a million dollars of alimony because she doesn't have enough or he doesn't have enough. They could do that. I don't think that would happen at those numbers. I think the court would say, you get every single amazing aspect of your married life together. There's two households now, but let's take it a little different route. Someone makes... And this is all like high income earners. What do we mean by that? Someone makes 200,000, the other makes 100,000, it's double. Now $100,000 is a lot of income. 200 is a lot of income in a lot of people's mind. Top one percenter sometimes, right? There could be alimony in that case. So it all typical lawyer answer depends. Pete Wright: Yeah, okay. Need and ability to pay. All right. Seth Nelson: And then there's like 35% in Florida now of the net difference. So there's all that on the podcast that we've done before, but check your local jurisdiction. Pete Wright: Okay, will you please, Seth... Another question from the website. Will you please discuss the law regarding inheritance in Florida? Seth Nelson: Happy to. So I'm going to discuss it on how inheritance impacts family law. A gift during the marriage from one spouse to the other spouse is marital property. You go out and for your husband's birthday, you buy him those golf clubs he's always wanted, the boat that he's always wanted. You get divorced, he wants to keep the golf clubs and the boat. That's fine. He owes you half the value of those things back. The reason why I'm pointing that out is a gift from a non-spouse during the marriage to one of the spouses is a non-marital gift. Pete, if I give you a boat for your birthday and it's titled in your name and you maintain it as your separate property, you never put your wife's name on it and you go to get divorced, that is your boat and you don't owe her half the value because I bought it for you. Pete Wright: Right. Seth Nelson: Inheritance is a gift from a decedent, someone who's passed on to an individual, and if you maintain that separately, it is non-marital property. Pete Wright: And maintaining it separately means no co-mingling funds in bank accounts, right? Seth Nelson: Don't put their name on it. Exactly. Don't use it for living expenses. Now in Florida, that would not be part of equitable distribution. But if you get to alimony or the attorney's fees and you have all this money from this inheritance, the court can say, well, I'm allowed to look to your non-marital assets to see whether you can pay attorney's fees. I can look to your non-marital assets to see if you have income off of them to pay alimony. Maybe not get to the principle of it. So that's how it impacts Florida family law. Pete Wright: I think we're roll with one more. You got one more in you. Seth Nelson: I got it. I got two more in me, Pete. Pete Wright: Oh, dear. Okay, here we go. Another one from the website. I'm the wife. How do I get a favorable appraisal for our house? Seth Nelson: So it doesn't matter whether you're the wife or the husband on this. And by favorable, I don't know what you mean. By favorable, do you mean that you want to keep the house so you want it to be a low appraisal or that he wants to keep the house and you want it to be a high appraisal? So my advice is don't play the game. Get a reputable appraisal from a reputable appraiser that is qualified that does them in your area. And remember that an appraisal is a snapshot in time usually looking backwards. Where a market analysis from a realtor is like, Hey, this is what I think you can sell for it today because this is what's recently sold my comps, but here's where the market's moving, right? They're kind of pushing the envelope or hey, the market's diving, where sometimes that isn't picked up on an appraisal, right? So get someone good, get someone that your lawyer has worked with that they know how they testify because just having a great report doesn't mean anything if they can't back it up in court with their testimony. Pete Wright: Wow, I think you got me thinking. I feel like the way this question was presented is... And no judgment, but it is probably the most cynical way to ask the question because it presumes unfairness. Seth Nelson: Right, because you're trying to get favorable. Pete Wright: Yeah, right. And it presumes you're not going to be able to find... I mean this isn't like New York City 1985. I think a lot of appraisers are pretty good. Seth Nelson: Yeah. But I certainly know appraisers that do good work and they're consistently higher than other appraisers that I also think do good work. Pete Wright: Do good work. Okay, that's fair. Seth Nelson: They're both in the range, but this one's consistently higher. Pete Wright: Ranges matter. Seth Nelson: Right. And so if I have an appraisal that my client wants to keep the house, I'm not using these two appraisers. Because in the range they're going to be high. I'm going to use the other two that are also in the range to be low, and then when the other side gets one of the ones that's high, I've worked with them before, I kind of know why they're high and I kind of try to beat them up on that in court professionally and ethically. But in Florida family law, if one appraisal says the house is worth 2 million and the other one says it's worth let's say 1.5, it's in the range. The court can't divide the difference. The court has to pick 2 million or 1.5. Pete Wright: What? What? Seth, what... [inaudible 00:23:55] man. Seth Nelson: Well, no, because the assumption there, Pete, is that they're both right, they're both in the range, let's just split the difference. But the court is required under Florida family law to make a decision based upon competent, substantial evidence. There was no competent substantial evidence that it was the middle number. Pete Wright: Oh, my God, that's so hard to swallow. Seth Nelson: It was one or the other, right? Pete Wright: Yeah. Seth Nelson: Now you could put on... And this is clever lawyer shit that I do. You could put on your client, right? Because maybe they had the lower number and you're afraid that the judge is going to take the higher number and hurt you. You could put your client on and your client can say, "I think it's actually right in the middle judge, and here's why." And if your client is owner of the property, they can testify to value and now you've given a new hook for the judge to hang their opinion on. They can say, "I'm not going with either of the appraisers. I think they were both wrong, but I think that the owner of the property knows best, and I'm picking the middle one." And we all know what the court did and we all know what the lawyer did to get there, but they have to testify truthfully if that's what they think. You don't want to just have them pick it and lie. Now what judges usually do, because this just hurt your soul, Pete. Pete Wright: Yeah. Seth Nelson: Let's say they take the higher number and they know that it hurt the wife. They're going to give the wife something else in a different area where they have discretion. They're going to make up for it. Pete Wright: It comes around. Seth Nelson: Yeah. Pete Wright: Okay. Seth Nelson: Yeah. These are really good questions people are putting out there for us and for our listeners. Pete Wright: You want to do one more? I think this is a good one. Seth Nelson: I'm good. Oh, I got one here. Pete Wright: Do you want to pick it? Seth Nelson: Yeah. Pete Wright: Unprecedented. Seth Nelson: I know. I just contacted Andy. He's the worst person. Do not ask me to date him again. Anybody else that you might have. That was quick. Pete Wright: That comes from Jaded in Arizona. I will say... Let me just take a brief break because producer Andy is doing real time follow-up and you said that we talked about the peace process early in the podcast. But it turns out that was our original podcast, Splitsville that never aired. We only just talked about the peace process a few episodes ago this season. Seth Nelson: That's embarrassing. I should be required to turn in my podcast badge or something. Pete Wright: It is delightful. Okay, here we go. My husband and I married 11 years with three kids are in agreement that we're miserable and the marriage needs to end. However, our last hurdle, the guilt inducing narrative of who pulled the trigger and killed the marriage first. As irrational as it is, we both don't want to be the one who ended it. Legally, what is the most mutual slash equal course of action we can take? A joint petition of some kind. Does there always need to be one person starting it or is there legal documentation that says both this person and this person are filing this together at the same time? Thanks in advance. This podcast has been absolutely invaluable. Thank you for this question. Seth Nelson: Yeah, thank you and thank you for... I'm glad to hear that we're helping. Okay. What we need to do here is focus on what we can control. Neither one of you has to be the one who pulled the trigger first. Because I'm reading this as talking about who files the divorce paperwork? So this is how we handle this. One, you get everything resolved before you file. You have a marital settlement agreement, you have your parenting plan, it's all ready to go. Okay? One of you is going to have to file, so let's just start that. You can't do a joint petition anywhere that I've ever heard of in any state. Someone files, they're called the petitioner. The other one in Florida is called the respondent. What you're saying here is nobody wants to be the petitioner. But in that petition, no matter who files it, it going to say that me and my soon to be former spouse have worked out all of our issues regarding the division of assets and debts, how we're doing alimony, how we're doing child support, what the parenting plan is, what we're doing with attorney's fees. We've worked it all out, judge. And you're sending this to the other lawyer, I'm assuming the other spouse has a lawyer. They'll accept the service. So you don't have somebody with a process server serving you and you're going to answer and you're going to say, "I agree, our marriage didn't work. We're splitting up. I'm okay getting the divorce. We're good with the kids. We've worked everything out, judge." And you're going to go to court and nobody's going to remember your case, thankfully, because you don't want lawyers to remember your case. Because it means they were nightmares and cost lots of money. And you're going to be okay. Do not, please do not let the court system get in your way and get in your head about who pulled the trigger. I will share with you, when I got divorced 18 years ago under Florida family law, it was required Pete, in the parenting plan that somebody had to be the primary parent and the other one was the secondary parent. Pete Wright: Wow. Seth Nelson: In the divorce paperwork, I was the secondary parent. Because I did not give a shit what some old guys in the legislature came up with in the statute and what some governor signed. I was not going to let that define my relationship with my child. And I wasn't in competition with his mother to be the primary or the secondary parent. I wanted her to be a great mom, which she is and has always been, and I wanted to be the best dad I could be, and that's that. Pete Wright: What is the expectation behind those terms, those labels? Somebody has an intention to define what the responsibilities are for first chair parent and second chair parent. Seth Nelson: It is old school way of thinking. And it's not necessarily gone. There's a lot of people that think that when babies are born, moms need to be doing the caregiving more than the dads, right? But in the law we've evolved because our society has evolved and I think in very good ways that allows back to one of the questions, women get out of marriages without having to prove fault. I think that if you want to be a dad, be a dad. It does not come embossed with an invitation, right? You got to step up to the plate. So please, please do not let the way the law is designed trip you up on two parents that are trying to work together and get things done and who pulled the trigger. And if worse comes to worse, you can rock paper scissor for it, Pete Wright: Right. Your kids don't need to know. Seth Nelson: No. Pete Wright: Who's first chair, second chair. I like that better. This was great. Seth, thank you for taking all these questions. You did a great job. Seth Nelson: Thanks for our listeners and people for sure bringing in the questions. This is great. Pete Wright: As one of the people behind the website, I am deeply gratified that people are using our new question tool over there. You can ask the tool, it interviews the show. I take those questions that you put in that little box on the website and I bring them right here. So when I say question from the website, it's from the AI, the model, the robot that lives on our website, that interviews past episodes. And if we don't have a great answer in there for you, we're going to talk about it on this show. So keep using that. It's great to see these questions come in and to those of you who visit howtosplitatoaster.com and actually click the button to submit a question, we love you too. Thank you so much and we hope this has been helpful at least in some part guiding the way you were thinking about your divorce. Seth Nelson: I got to tell you, the only disappointing thing on the questions Pete, is no one asked us when our birthday are and what size shirt we wear. But other than that, I think they're doing great. Pete Wright: That's right, and my favorite color is kind of a silvery blue and I would like a Toyota GR 40. Seth Nelson: You know someone's going to write in. We want to know Andy's birthday and give him a microphone. Pete Wright: Yeah. We'd like to know when Andy's birthday and give him some agency. You guys don't know. Andy runs this whole thing. Seth Nelson: That's right. Pete Wright: All right. Thanks everybody for downloading and listening to the show. We appreciate your time and attention. Don't forget to send us those questions. In the meantime, on behalf of Seth Nelson, America's favorite divorce attorney, I'm Pete Wright, and we'll see you next time right here on How to Split A Toaster, a Divorce Podcast about saving your relationships. Speaker 3: How to Split A Toaster is part of the True Story FM Podcast Network. Produced by Andy Nelson, music by T. Bless & the Professionals and DB Studios. Seth Nelson is an attorney with NLG Divorce and Family Law with offices in Tampa, Florida. While we may be discussing family law topics, How to Split A Toaster is not intended to, nor is it providing legal advice. Every situation is different. If you have specific questions regarding your situation, please seek your own legal counsel with an attorney licensed to practice law in your jurisdiction. Pete Wright is not an attorney or employee of NLG Divorce and Family Law. Seth Nelson is licensed to practice law in Florida.