The Lifelong Journey to Being a Better Human... and Not an A-Hole with Author and Filmmaker Brian Ronalds
Why Is It So Hard to Not Be an A-Hole Sometimes?
Brian Ronalds is back, author behind the How Not to Be an A-Hole series! On today’s episode, Brian joins Seth and Pete to take a closer look at one of the key factors that play into the divorce scenario: one of the partners is an a-hole. But sometimes, that a-hole is you. Why is it so hard to get past this? Brian is back to share what it takes to look at yourself to work at being a better person who isn’t an a-hole. It’s a challenge, particularly as sometimes it involves figuring out what part of your issues in the marriage, the divorce, or post-divorce are because you and your partner/ex were a bad fit, and what parts are because you are being an a-hole.
Sometimes it means therapy. Sometimes, it’s working really hard to avoid those kneejerk reactions, particularly when it comes to texts. (Don’t text back right away!) But it’s worth it in the long run to work on these things. As Brian says, “It’s lazy to get dirty, and it’s hard to go above what they’d expect of you.”
We have a great conversation today with him and are thrilled to have him returning to chat with us. Tune in!
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About Brian
Brian Ronalds is an American actor turned writer/producer/director and is the other half of “The Ronalds Brothers." Brian’s recent credits include the horror-comedy, Netherbeast Incorporated, directed by his brother, Dean. The film stars Darrell Hammond, Judd Nelson, Dave Foley, Robert Wagner and Jason Mewes.
Brian has co-produced Dirty Little Trick starring Dean Cain and Michael Madsen, as well as the feature, Ashley, also directed by Dean Ronalds featuring America’s Next Top Model winner, Nicole Fox, Two and a Half Men’s Jennifer Taylor, Tom Malloy, and Michael Madsen. Along with producing films, Brian wrote for Tyler Perry's Meet the Browns and is a published writer.
Brian has recently written and directed his feature film directorial debut, THE MASS SHOOTING MONOLOGUES (now titled The Last Day of the Rest of My Life). The film is both poignant and important, dealing with mass murder at a high school that was motivated by bullying. The film stars Kee Chan (Revenge of the Sith), Tom Malloy (The Alphabet Killer/Love N’ Dancing), Brennan Murray (You’re the Worst/Video Game High School) and introduces Brian’s son, Leif Ronalds.
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Pete Wright:
Welcome to How To Split A Toaster, a divorce podcast about saving your relationships from TruStory FM. If you're divorcing your toaster, you have to ask, is it your toaster or are you just an a-hole?
Seth Nelson:
Welcome to show everybody. I'm Seth Nelson. As always, I'm here with my good friend Pete Wright. Today we're taking a closer look at one of the key factors to play into the divorce scenario. One of the partners is an a-hole. Brian Ronalds is back author behind How Not to Be an a-hole series. He's back to share what it takes to look at yourself in figuring out what part of your issues in the marriage, the divorce or post divorce are a bad fit, and what parts are you being an a-hole. Brian, welcome back to the Toaster.
Brian Ronalds:
I am more than happy to be back. Thanks for having me.
Pete Wright:
Brian, last time you were here... It's great to see you, by the way. Last time you were here you had a book. Now I feel like it's been a while, but now you've got six. What happened? Have you been doing anything else?
Brian Ronalds:
I have. I actually directed two movies in between all these, but it's just self-help therapy for myself to be sane, but also to help others not to fall into some of the traps that people fall in when we're talking about a specific book. Husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend.
Pete Wright:
Right. The last time you were here, it was how not to be an A-hole husband and lose your wife, and you were talking about your own experience going through there. And now just to that we have the greater a-hole expanded literary universe. We've got how not to be an a-hole wife and lose your husband, how not to be an a-hole boss and lose your employees. We've got a-hole boyfriend and girlfriend and how not to be an a-hole employee and lose your job. I'm really curious to get us started, how your inner exploration, for lack of a better word, responsibility in a relationship, has expanded your worldview just in how you interact with the people in your lives to allow you to write these books.
Brian Ronalds:
For those who didn't tune into the first ones... shame on you, but second.
Seth Nelson:
We always like to ridicule our listeners. Thank you for that.
Pete Wright:
Start with a real shame premise.
Seth Nelson:
Maybe the next book, Pete, is how not to be an a-hole guest.
Pete Wright:
A-hole host and lose your guest, a-hole guest to lose... It's perfect. Perfect.
Brian Ronalds:
No, gosh, if you can't take that hilariousness, then you probably shouldn't read my books. No, I'm just kidding. I look, I was married for 17 years. I went through a crappy divorce. I learned a lot of things along the way, which I wanted to help and wrote How Not to be an A-Hole Husband and Lose Your Wife, a ridiculously 30-day guide. And it did really well. But I was getting some comments and some reviews as far as like, "Well, where's the wife version?" After that first year I wrote that one. So now the wife can come home with her book in his book and say, "Look, honey, look what I got for us to read together." And that's basically how I got started. And then once I started seeing the reactions, then I just spitballed writing how not to be this or that and lose your this or that. I thought the next natural thing to do was How Not to be an A-Hole Girlfriend and Lose Your Boyfriend, a ridiculously easy 30-day guide.
Pete Wright:
Well, and really I think where I'm most interested because I think these... the first book is so full of taking responsibility for your own actions. If you're being an a-hole it's because you've lost some sense of perspective on how your actions and reactions interact with other people, how your behavior impacts other people, and to take ownership of that and try to see things through a different lens. And I totally get how the wife can be a pivot on that. I'm curious, your experience writing these other books, it feels like once you understand how not to be an a-hole husband, it might be easier not to be an A-hole anything. Is that your experience?
Brian Ronalds:
Yeah. I mean, if you're willing to look into yourself, it's pretty common knowledge. And I would say psychologically speaking, a lot of the times we project our own inner insecurities onto others and you're not aware of it. And this is just reminders of bringing awareness of how to be a good person. And yes, you can reply some of the stuff from the husband and wife books, but my goal is to have, for every book that I write, there's got to be two to offset the other one. That's why I wrote How Not... or I meant, I'm writing How Not to be an A-Hole Employee and Lose Your Job to pair with How Not to be an A-Hole Boss and Lose Your Employees, which I think one of my favorite books I've written so far.
Seth Nelson:
I was just reading it last night actually. I think there's just so much good material in there. But to Pete's point, I think all of these things really do overlap because at its core you're evaluating yourself and in essence taking responsibility for the relationship. Now there's got to be... there's two in all these relationships, boyfriend, girlfriend, husband, wife, employee, employer. But in essence it's all about what are you doing and how do you arrive every day. One of them is if you can't say hello in the morning in a happy way that's on you. What's going on here? You're just walking in the door. I think those types of overarching themes really play into what our listeners are going through and what they've been through, going through, are still going through before, during, and after divorce and new relationships. Are you going to bring your former spouse, invite them, and I'm saying in quotes into the dinner that you're having when you're dating by bringing them up? You're just looking backwards, not forward.
Brian Ronalds:
I remarried, I don't know if you guys knew this or not or if I had... I think I was just getting ready to married.
Pete Wright:
It was just fresh.
Brian Ronalds:
It was right before COVID. I couldn't agree more. Bringing some of this up can be a touchy subject because not that I want to invite my ex-wife.
Pete Wright:
Let's talk a little bit about that relationship though, because I think that's a relationship that a lot of people struggle with is figuring out how to navigate the waters of not being an a-hole divorcee, the book you haven't written. What have you learned about yourself in navigating that particular relationship?
Brian Ronalds:
I think the first thing that comes to my mind is don't text them back right away, that they're asking something. And I know you can't hear a tone or inflection through text or emails, but for some reason I can hear her tone and inflection and how she's handling the situation. And it's stuck because you're a business after you get a divorce, especially if you have children. I mean, if you get a divorce and you don't have any children, you don't ever have to talk to each other yet. But if you have children and there's a business. And if a president of the company has a partner in a business and they don't see to eye to eye, that company is just going to go away. My yeses mean yes, and my nos mean no when it comes to my children or anything that I do in life. And that's opposite on that other side of the fence. It makes it hard for children to understand because they go from one house to the other and this person listen to everything. And it's an [inaudible 00:07:58] problem. I mean, I'm not the first guy.
Seth Nelson:
This is nothing new. And you're describing things that don't have to be necessarily conflict. It could be, "Well, at mom's I get to stay up till 10, but dad, why do I have to go to bed at 9:30?" It's not inherent whether a child should go to bed at 9:30, 10 or 9:45. It's a difference of opinion. Neither right nor wrong, they're just different. But that child has to adjust to that and inevitably they only ask the question why at the person's house where they want more leniency. They're never going to go to you and say, "Dad, at mom's, I go to bed at 9:30. Here I go to bed at 10. Why can't I go to bed at 9:30 here?" That's never coming out of a child's mouth.
Pete Wright:
"Dad, why aren't you harder on me right now?"
Brian Ronalds:
No, I'll give you an example, which I'm very surprised about. I have a 16-year-old son. A 20-year-old son, a 16-year-old son, and I have a 17-year-old [inaudible 00:09:06] my wife, Michelle. And he wanted to have his girlfriend over last night and it was her sweet 16th birthday. And I said, "Okay, but can we agree on a few things?" And we've made an agreement and we planned and everything. Come party time in the backyard, they all behave themselves. But then he's asking questions that he already knows the answer to and that he wants to be mad at me and he should be at a point already, at least in my house, to know that my yes has been yes and my no means means no. It can be very confusing for them and frustrating for both parents on either side of the spectrum.
Seth Nelson:
It's a brilliant example because you even set it all up beforehand like, "Hey, you want to do this? Here's the rules. Are we agreeing on the rules? Repeat them back, make sure I understand what you're saying. You repeat them back to me, you understand what I'm saying?" And then halfway through, he wants to change the deal.
Brian Ronalds:
Exactly.
Pete Wright:
Well, it's funny, it gets to... It's actually not where I thought you were going to go because I felt like my own kids would do a similar thing, but they would do it... They'd already know the answer is yes or no, but then they would ask the question again in front of their boyfriend or girlfriend and that subtle way of social manipulation, I feel like the book I need is how not to be an a-hole parent and lose your kids. That's the sort of rationale behind or the sort of angle that feels like how to set that standard for yeses and nos. Even though teenage kids are going to do that social manipulation, like it or not, it's going to happen. They might not even know they do it.
Seth Nelson:
Pete, I got to pause here just for a minute because people can't see Brian. He's just jotted down 15 of the 30 days on how not to be an asshole parent and lose your kid, and also how not to be an asshole kid and lose your parents. And that should be how not to be an asshole kid and lose your free ride to college.
Pete Wright:
Yeah, I definitely take everything that hear and I and I say and act and interact and take note.
Seth Nelson:
But I think to your point about that it is hard for the kids and for the parents when there's different rules, and this is the suggestion I give to everybody is kids get told no all the time. So one of my rules of being a parent was say yes as often as I could. If I can say yes, then say yes. Now I'm not saying that doesn't come with grounds or boundaries that you can discuss. And then what I would also try to do if I felt it was something that, "I feel like I could say yes to this, I don't know if my former spouse would," I would give the conditional yes. Like, "Hey, I need to talk to your mom about this. Theoretically I'm not opposed, but there could be some nuance there that practicalities might not work. Let me talk to mom, make sure we're on the same page." And when you do that with kids, first off, they're amazed and can't believe that the parents actually talk.
Now it might be a text, it might be this, it might be that, but I think that's the gold standard in being able to do that because your kids then know, "Uh-oh, they're actually talking. So maybe I can't get away with as much as I thought I could," because they will play you against each other like no one's business.
Pete Wright:
But what do you do like in this case where Brian was talking about where his former spouse is diametrically opposed to... it's just opposites. The answers are opposites to what he... From your attorney's perspective, and you're running a business with a co-parent who is essentially a frustrating non-participant.
Seth Nelson:
The easy answer is you have to go by whatever the final judgment, the divorce decree, the parenting plan says. It will be void of 90% of these questions. It's not going to talk about whether or not you can have a girlfriend spend the night at 16, in the same room, not in the same room, on the couch, whatever the case may be. It's not going to talk about sleepovers. It's not going to talk about whether the kid can go on an weekend trip with friends when it's beach week for their seniors. Those are decisions that when the child's with you, you get to make. Now, is it better to say, "Hey, I don't have to talk to you about this, under the plan. I can do whatever I want." Usually not the best way to start a conversation, but in essence, you could say something to the effect, but a little nicer, "But I wanted to get your input."
Brian Ronalds:
That's true. Very true. Receiving each other's input on a business level will make everybody's lives a lot easier and less confusing. But as a parent, the last thing you want to do is see your children hurt when you are the main cause of their hurt than their... some parents form guilt, I see a lot of them do. They handle it different ways. The way I handled it is I wanted to be the rock in their life by providing them a home, the same schools, food, fun. That was what I did consistently. And I find that there are people on the other side of the spectrum will be, for lack of better term, the Disneyland mom or dad where it's just fucking fun, fun all the time. And it's, "No, come on, mom." "Okay."
Look, if you're going through a divorce and you are struggling with some of these things, I think therapy plays well, if you're willing to go. And that's what these books have done for me. Not only that, therapy has done wanders helping you look into one self, but consistency is key. And if you can't do that, it's going to be chaos.
Pete Wright:
How do you handle that? Because it feels like you of all people have likely run into a situation where you still look at your former spouse and you think, "Well, they're being an a-hole. Here we are. They're an a-hole. And I can either take the high road and I can do my best to communicate and know that I am doing my level best, or I can go down to their level and just be an a-hole too." Do you ever find yourself fighting that natural instinct to just get dirty? And how do you navigate through that?
Brian Ronalds:
Well, I found it's lazy to get dirty, and it's hard to go above and beyond what he or she would expect of you. That's not what happens. It's how you react and respond to what happens, which I'm sure you guys have heard a thousand times. And that's something that I've learned that instead of just firing off a text, which I recommend, if you're going to have a conversation with your ex, don't let it be on text. Just pick up the phone. I know neither one of you want to hear each other's voices or even talk, but it's a must, especially if you have kids.
Seth Nelson:
And on that point, when I've dealt with that, Brian, people are like, "Well, how do I even start that?" And I say you start it with a text like, "Hey, I think this is an important topic that I'm finding difficult to communicate through a text. Would you have some time to chat about it? What works for you?" You start with your weakness, which I think is powerful. "Hey, I think this is an important topic that I'm having trouble communicating with over text." You're trying to work out the problem. You're not trying to be an asshole. And you can take that to what you said, Brian. I know tone in context is difficult in text, but however granular you want to get. I think broad brush strokes are a little bit better in communication when you're trying to then have the granular conversation later. But you start with that and you give a request, "Can we talk? What works for you?" There's almost nothing negative in that that can be taken negative from the reader.
You guys have a long history. "Oh, she just wants to get on the phone with me." "Oh, he just wants to get on the phone with me. Okay, he's going to start with this about the kids and he's going to then talk about how I don't deserve the alimony. I'm going to go down that road." So if you send the invite or you respond to it, you could say, "Yes, I would love to talk to you," or "Yes, I can talk to you. Let's please only talk about this issue." And then there's another request. So look man, when they have summits between superpowers, everybody knows the agenda and what they're going to talk about before you get there. And I think that's how you have to do it because you guys are the two superpowers in your kids' life. And if you're going to nuke each other, it's not going to help your kid.
Brian Ronalds:
Not at all. And I've tried it both way and I would say the kinder way is the better way to go. Taking the higher road, keeping the business.
Pete Wright:
According to the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, about 10% of children live with a parent with an alcohol use disorder. Seth, that rubs you the wrong way, I know it.
Seth Nelson:
Every week, Pete, it rubs me the wrong way. It's always an alarming statistic to me, even though I hear it all the time. So what can we do about it if we can't change people? They can only change if they choose to change themselves. What can the court system, what can Soberlink do for you in your divorce case?
Pete Wright:
That is exactly what we want to try and do and what we are doing with our partner Soberlink. Soberlink. What is it, Soberlink? Soberlink is like a breathalyzer. You've seen breathalyzer, you've watched TV. This one's a little bit different though. It has facial recognition, camera built right into it so that you can hold it up your face, you blow into it, it knows it's you. And in real time, it sends the data back to the people who need to know whether you are safe to drive. Now, Seth, who needs to know whether you're safe to drive? Why do we care?
Seth Nelson:
It's simple. You're being accused of being an alcoholic. You're being accused of being a drunk. All these negative terms are going to come flying at you and you're going to say, "I don't need to prove anything." Well, ultimately you don't have to prove anything to your spouse. You have to show the court, the judge who's making the decision on whether you get to see your child or not, whether or not you suffer from alcoholism. And if you do, whether you can hold it together long enough to spend quality time with your kids, not drive with them, not be intoxicated when you're with them. This eliminates the potential weaponization of alcoholism. It eliminates the he said, she said, because all you do is you blow into the Soberlink device when you have your kids, if you're picking them up, just had, them why you have them and it shows you haven't been drinking.
And it will eliminate with third party real time independent verification that you're sober and you're spending quality time with your kids. It's going to save you a lot of money in attorney's fees because you're not going to have to go to court and argue about it.
Pete Wright:
There you go. Seth uses it at the firm with his clients. Courts love it because the system keeps the focus on what is best in the best interest of the child. And you are going to love it. All you need to do to get started and receive 50 bucks off of your device when you do get started is visit soberlink.com/toaster. That's soberlink.com/toaster. Thank you to Soberlink for sponsoring this show.
Seth Nelson:
And you mentioned something earlier, you said, "Don't respond right away." Can you elaborate on that a little bit? How long should you wait? What should you do in between, if they're blowing up your phone 15 times because you haven't responded?
Brian Ronalds:
Well, first, I don't encourage stonewalling your ex-wife when you have children or your ex-husband, 'cause that's going to lead to greater problems. But what I mean by that is I can't go off of a knee-jerk reaction 'cause I again done it both points. I've gone knee-jerk and I've thoughtfully written what I was going to say back on my email and then copy paste it into her text. So it could be thoughtful, thought out and convey a message where you're not being a dick.
Pete Wright:
I think that's the really interesting one. But everything that we're talking about here... We recently did an episode on parallel parenting, the whole concept of you're two parents working alongside one another, but you aren't talking a whole lot between the two of you. It feels like, I don't know, that maybe you've either become that through kindness and ineffectual communication or maybe if not even intentionally. So have you explored that in your head, what it means to be a parallel parent in this business relationship between the two of you? And does that strike a chord? Ask me that question maybe four or five years ago perhaps, but now I know how to manage a relationship who is my business partner in a calm, cool, and collective way. I'm not perfect. There are still times where I'll actually technically be human, but I'll always wake up the next morning going, "Man, you could have handled that better and you it. Why are you going back to that asshole mode and saying things you don't mean and in a tone that's unacceptable?"
Seth Nelson:
Do you ever apologize when you do that? When you wake up that next morning and it was really bad? Do you ever send the text saying, "Hey, I'm sorry."?
Pete Wright:
Yes.
Seth Nelson:
I think that is rare, Pete. So many people don't want to do the wrong thing and then when they do, they try to cover it up or downplay it instead of just owning it. And I see that all the time. "Well, if I say I'm sorry, it means I did something wrong, they're going to use that in court against me." And what I'm saying is the judge is human. The judge has kids, the judge gets in arguments with their spouse, but it's not like these aren't humans we're standing in front of the courtroom and they're going to see a parent who apologized. What's wrong with that? That's powerful.
Brian Ronalds:
And it's beautiful, especially if you weren't willing to do that before, and now you are and you've begun slowly to change yourself. I thought one day I'll learn it all and fully change, understand everything. And I don't think that changing process is going to end until the day I'll stop breathing.
Pete Wright:
Well, speaking of growing, learning, changing, you're also a writer/director, and you just wrote and directed your first feature, the Mass Shooting Monologues. And I'm interested in your experience... Credits say, and I haven't seen the film, but credits say it introduces your son. I'm curious how your relationship with your son has changed. You have two kids. How your relationship with your kids have changed and now to the point that you're working with them.
Brian Ronalds:
I think it's a constant change depending on their season of their lives and my season in my life right now, he's in the season of life of he just moved out and he's ready to be on his own. And I'm in the season of my life where I'm like, "Geez, don't go. I miss you. I love you so much. Can you call me talk 40 times a day? Why don't you reply to my..." I sound like my mother, "Why don't you reply to my text right away? You've been two hours, is everything okay? Are you all right?" I would say that that's how it changed. But the Mass Shooting Monologues, which I love that title, they changed it because we couldn't sell it. Now it's called the Last Day of the Rest of My Life.
Pete Wright:
Okay.
Brian Ronalds:
But it's a series of monologues. I wanted to just be my own boss and not have to worry about anybody else's money, which means you're not going to be able to work with a lot of bucket. We want to do that. And we did. I thought, how could we find a way to make a movie on the more affordable end of things? So I took, there's a Broadway play called The Vagina Monologues, which is about a single subject talked about in eight different stories. That's what I did. And I mixed it in with pictures and B roll. But the story is basically about a mass shooting at a high school as a result of being bullied. And my son played as the mass shooter. It was tough. I'm a Columbine High School graduate. I wasn't there when it happened, but I've seen a lot of the... I mean, gosh, it seems ages ago right now. Now it's what, three, four times fricking week.
I don't want him say that mass shooter is an anti-hero, but just watch the movie and tell me what you think. But I know that's not we're talking about right now, but when you have an opportunity to check it out, it's on Amazon and wherever you can stream a movie.
Pete Wright:
Well, I sure will. And I think it's a great testament to just the way you navigated your post divorce relationship with your kids, that you're now casting your son in your projects. That's a big thing.
Brian Ronalds:
It is, Pete.
Seth Nelson:
Brian, to where you are in your seasons of life and your child is, I talk to parents all the time about playing the long game because in our lifetimes, if we're fortunate enough, our children's lives, zero to 18 is going to be a small segment of their life. We will be parents to our adult children longer than were parents to our children as children. And if you play the long game, that's what I'm after. That's what I want my clients to have in what you do during your divorce, in post divorce, and how you treat your children lays the foundation for the rest of their lives. And once you don't have the power of the checkbook and the credit card and the ATM and Zelle and Venmo, then you're going to know where your kids go.
Brian Ronalds:
I think as the kids would say after you said that sentence, they would go, facts.
Pete Wright:
Oh, man.
Brian Ronalds:
When they don't have nothing say they're like, "Bro." "Okay, anything else you want to say?" "No, dad. Facts." But what you just said obviously takes years of experience, but you carry wisdom and discernment of how you conveyed that. And that's how I tried to model raising these boys for the long game. "I'm sorry that you're mad at me that I'm not taking you to Europe this year, but we got other things to do and we're going to do it this way."
Seth Nelson:
See, I almost said that same thing. I said, "Do you have any idea how many Europeans come to Tampa, Florida for vacation? So let's do this. Instead of going to Europe, let's pretend we're Europeans in Tampa."
Pete Wright:
Go to a beach and speak with an accent.
Seth Nelson:
That's right. Don't put on sunscreen and get burnt. There's a lot of fun things we can do.
Pete Wright:
Just go native. You're fine. Well, I'll tell you, Brian, this is awesome. And congratulations on the success of the series too, that it continues to blossom in these new ways, new pairs of books and observations and lessons learned.
Seth Nelson:
I got to say one thing before we close here, Pete, is I got a little nervous because I knew Brian was recently married, but you started this show last time we talked, you had one and now you have six. And I thought, that guy was busy having kids. And I was like so thankful. Brian was like, "I've been writing a lot of books."
Pete Wright:
It's a lot of books, and directing movies.
Seth Nelson:
Couple movies in between.
Brian Ronalds:
You have to live with it forever.
Seth Nelson:
They don't talk back though, do they? I don't know.
Brian Ronalds:
No, no. Just their readers.
Pete Wright:
Just the readers. Well, and you could be one of those readers too, just to check out the How Not to Be series.com, that's a handy URL, How Not to Be series. We'll put links in the show notes. We'll also drop links into the Amazon version of the movie if you want to check out the last Day of the Rest of my Life. Congratulations, Brian. Thanks for hanging out with us today.
Brian Ronalds:
Thanks gentlemen.
Pete Wright:
And thank you everybody for downloading and listening to this show. We sure appreciate your time and attention. Don't forget, if you have a question, you can just visit howtosplitatoaster.com, and there's a button that says, submit a question. You submit a question, it'll come right to me and Seth and we'll answer it. Seth will answer it. I'll be color commentary, but Seth will answer it. Don't worry. And we would love to hear you questions. We've got questions that are stacking up. We're going to be talking about them in coming episodes. Thank you for those submissions. On behalf of Brian Reynolds and Seth Nelson, America's favorite divorce attorney, I'm Pete Wright. We'll catch you next week right here on How to Split a Toaster: Divorce Podcast about saving your relationships.
Speaker 4:
Seth Nelson is an attorney with NLG Divorce and Family Law with offices in Tampa, Florida. While we may be discussing family law topics, How to Split A Toaster is not intended to, nor is it providing legal advice. Every situation is different. If you have specific questions regarding your situation, please seek your own legal counsel with an attorney licensed to practice law in your jurisdiction. Pete Wright is not an attorney or employee of NLG Divorce and Family Law. Seth Nelson is licensed to practice law in Florida.
